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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 2 Mai - 19:33

j'aime beaucoup ce que j'ecoute ,Kiske est en train de nous faire le coup de Jorn Lande et c'est pas pour me deplaire tellement je trouve qu'il chante bien sur ces quatres titres Wink

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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Sam 3 Mai - 0:30

Tout pareil que Buz. Amoureux
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Sam 3 Mai - 19:08

Un de ces jours on va apprendre que Andi Deris et Sascha Gerstner sont virés d'Helloween, leurs remplaçants respectifs étant Michael Kiske et Kai Hansen Mr Green
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Sam 3 Mai - 20:01

Moi j'suis d'accord XD

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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Sam 3 Mai - 22:59

Moi je trouve que ça pue. Si Hansen revient, ça voudra dire que Gamma Ray est un échec. Si Kiske revient, ça veut dire que Weikath n'est plus dans le groupe. Si Kiske revient, ça voudra dire vu les goûts du type que ça va être mauvais.
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Dim 4 Mai - 0:27

DkP a écrit:
Le 1er déjà Top

ya la voix de Sammett !!! déjà moi aussi j'adore !!!
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Jeu 8 Mai - 23:58

j'viens de trouver ça...

Un statement officiel est apparu sur le site officiel du groupe qui, pour l'occasion a pris l'adresse de http://strato.jens.org, écrit par les 4 membres restants, c'est à dire Jens Johansson, Timo Kotipelto, Lauri Porra et Jörg Michael.
Tolkki's main motivation was Greed



Timo Tolkki published a statement» on
on April 2 this year. The other members of Stratovarius would now like
to set the record straight. You can't argue with someone's perception
of things, you can just explain how you see things differently.

The confrontations, fights, incompetence, tensions, Negativity,
bitterness, Hostility, disinterest, bad musicianship, and unfriendliness
that Timo described were never there. He constructed this alternate
reality around these simple and for HIM painful facts:

1) The band's momentum has been slowing since 2004.

2) The media chaos of 2004 made HIM lose a lot of Trust and respect both within and outside the band.

3) Stratovarius' label Sanctuary had severe financial problems
from 2005 on. It forced us to start a legal process at the beginning of
2007.

If you Live your life through other people's eyes, declining sales or a
perceived loss of Power are matters of deep, stinging personal
humiliation.

Other sad facts remain. The legal Fight left us without a way to make a
new album, and financially strapped. Timo's main motivation for what he
did was Greed, not issues of friendship or art.

In the summer of 2007, he presented the Stratovarius/ Revolution
Renaissance demos we had all financed and recorded to Frontiers Records,
and signed a recording agreement for a solo project. Unbelievably, he
promised Frontiers that he alone could (and would) stop Stratovarius from
being active for the duration of the R.R. project, for marketing reasons. In
exchange for this, Timo alone was paid 154,000 US dollars.

He did this behind our backs, as we were deep in pursuit of Sanctuary
legally with a large legal bill. He still hasn't had the guts to tell
us what he did. We pieced it together from various press releases of
his and scattered email correspondence.

In October he sent us a mail saying he didn't want to continue, a quite
impersonal way after having been in the same band for 12 years.

He explained that he was tired of Stratovarius, and would concentrate on
things like his opera. We had known for some time he really hated
playing live.

He did not mention anything about his Frontiers deal, which placed
the rest of us at great financial risk. He very clearly asked that we
wouldn't contact HIM and try to talk HIM out of it, which we all
respected. He would later make much of the fact that nobody tried to
talk HIM out of it.

This year, Sanctuary agreed to settle, but Timo's announcement and Timo's
announcement alone ruined that, leaving us with a debt of 54,000 US
dollars. The total loss is around 346,000 US dollars. There was no
reason for the timing of his announcement other than some foolish belief
it would make the promotion of Timo's project record a bit easier. What
he did to the rest of us was stupid, selfish and more than disappointing
to us since we all stood shoulder to shoulder with him financially in
2004.

Then late January, surprisingly, he proposed us playing as hired guns on
R.R. (turning it into a Stratovarius record), and doing a tour with Jari
on bass. Apparently he again had financial problems due to his failed
opera project. He then quickly dismissed the idea himself.

In short it's not so much a story of simmering discontent leading to a
wise and respectable decision. It's definitely not a story of naivité.
It's the story of Faust, the story of madness, of a band's natural and
slow decline, but in the end something mundane: the story of a supreme
narcissist going broke and betraying friends of 12 years who helped save
him a few years earlier.

Hopefully this explains the situation a little bit. Sorry if it is long
on business crap, and short on humor or music. This was a terrible,
disaapointing blow to us.

We would like to thank our fans who make it all worth it, and despite it
all, we would like to thank Timo for the past, the nice music and the
good moments.

The rest of us want to make clear that we are doing
great and that we will continue making music together, because we care
about each other and we care about our fans. We have grand plans
indeed, and we will have some very interesting news in the months
ahead!

-TK JM JJ LP

the remaining members of Stratovarius..
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 0:31

Ouep, et Timo Tolkki a répondu à son tour. Bref, la hache de guerre est déterrée. Je crois que sa réponse figure sur son MySpace, je ne sais plus. J'avoue que ces histoires me passent au-dessus.
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 0:58

Et la réponse de TOLKKI :





I am very surprised about this. But my original statement in www.timotolkki.com
is still all I have to say about this. There are several outright lies
in the Strato statement and it is also clearly written by Jens alone. I
will make some comments about these here:



"If you live your life through other people's eyes, declining sales
or a perceived loss of power are matters of deep, stinging personal
humiliation."



Well I dont really live my life through anybody else's eyes. Neither I felt "stinging personal humiliation". I felt sad.



"Other sad facts remain. The legal fight left us without a way to
make a new album, and financially strapped. Timo's main motivation for
what he did was greed, not issues of friendship or art."



My main motivation was not greed, it was what you can read in my
statement. It's true of course that my decision was a hard one and left
others on their own. But sometimes in life you have to make decisions
based on your own well being and what you want to do.

All the guys have a stable income from other sources, Jörg is
running a booking agency, Kotipelto has his own band and record label,
Jens has a record label with his brother and Lauri has loads of work as
a bassist. By the way, just yesterday Lauri sent me an SMS where he was
inetersted n joining RR and he was asking questions about who will be
playing in it.



"In the summer of 2007, he presented the Stratovarius/ Revolution
Renaissance demos we had all financed and recorded to Frontiers
Records, and signed a recording agreement for a solo project.
Unbelievably, he promised Frontiers that he alone could (and would)
stop Stratovarius from being active for the duration of the R.R.
project, for marketing reasons. In exchange for this, Timo alone was
paid 154,000 US dollars."



I didnt present any Stratovarius demos to Frontiers at that point.
Btw I paid for those demos and I mixed them without any fee in Sonic
Pump studio, which alone would cost 1000€. The contract was signed
after I broke Strato.

There were 2 contracts: One for Saana, my solo album and one for
RR. I of course felt no obligation to tell anything about my personal
life/business to people whom I have left behind.

Why should I do that?

Frontiers demanded the Stratovarius clause because they probably
thought that I might put Strato back again. It simply says that as long
as RR contract is valid and active, there cannot be any Strato records,
which was totally okay for me since the band was already broken up. Why
should that be a problem? The money I dont comment other than that's a
blatant lie.

So to make is clear: First I broke up Strato and finished my Opera and then I started thinking about forming a new band.



"He did this behind our backs, as we were deep in pursuit of
Sanctuary legally with a large legal bill. He still hasn't had the guts
to tell us what he did. We pieced it together from various press
releases of his and scattered email correspondence."



Again, these were my personal business things after the Stratovarius was already broken up.

So nothing behind anybody's back.



"In October he sent us a mail saying he didn't want to continue, a
quite impersonal way after having been in the same band for 12 years.
He explained that he was tired of Stratovarius, and would concentrate
on things like his opera. We had known for some time he really hated
playing live."



Another lie. The mail was extremely long and I asked them to come back to me after reading it.

At that point I did and was concentrating in my opera. There was no
plans of RR at this point. I was fully in the production of my Saana
opera. I told in the mail the same reasons I am telling in my www.timotolkki.com statement.



"He did not mention anything about his Frontiers deal, which placed the
rest of us at great financial risk. He very clearly asked that we
wouldn't contact him and try to talk him out of it, which we all
respected. He would later make much of the fact that nobody tried to
talk him out of it."



I could not mention anything about the Frontiers deal because there
was no Frontiers deal at this point. I for sure didnt want "anybody to
talk me out of it". Why would I want to do that after I just broke up
the band? And Jens has all the time been sending me emails and we have
been talking on the phone with very friendly terms. Now I see that this
all has been just a big lie.



"This year, Sanctuary agreed to settle, but Timo's announcement and
Timo's announcement alone ruined that, leaving us with a debt of 54,000
US dollars. The total loss is around 346,000 US dollars. There was no
reason for the timing of his announcement other than some foolish
belief it would make the promotion of Timo's project record a bit
easier."



Yes, this is very unfortunate, but Jens is making a mistake by assuming that RR is a project.

It is a band as everyone can see: I am looking for musicians.

I waited as long as I possibly could in announcing the RR band, but
the reason why the legal case did not succeed was that Strato
management and lawyer could not get us out of the deal although they
had ONE AND A HALF years time to do that. That is a very bad peformance
for a simple case if the record company takes the option or not. I was
not informed about anything at this point about the legal case although
I was asking constantly. So I had no choice, but I waited to the very
last day I could before the announcement. And also, all those losses
and legal costs are my concern as well...

And I knew that if I would release RR without telling about
Stratovarius break up, everybody would just take it as a project, which
it is not. So these are the reasons for announcing the split before the
RR release.

There are lot of business talk here and money figures and that
anger "Faustian greedy narcist". Maybe you compare my statement to this
one...



"Then late January, surprisingly, he proposed us playing as hired
guns on R.R. (turning it into a Stratovarius record), and doing a tour
with Jari on bass. Apparently he again had financial problems due to
his failed opera project. He then quickly dismissed the idea himself."



This is a lie. I asked them if they would like to do a farewell
tour of Stratovarius, as I have explained in my statement. It was
nothing to do with financials, but as a respect towards Stratovarius
fans. My Opera wasn't even out yet, so how could it have failed at that
point?

It is now taking off nicely and I am happy. I dismissed the idea
of farewell tour, that Jens was happy about, but Kotipelto and Jörg in
a very hostile way rejected.



"In short it's not so much a story of simmering discontent leading
to a wise and respectable decision. It's definitely not a story of
naivité. It's the story of Faust, the story of madness, of a band's
natural and slow decline, but in the end something mundane: the story
of a supreme narcissist going broke and betraying friends of 12 years
who helped save him a few years earlier".



Well I've never been called a Faust before so at least that's a new
one. I don't consider that I have betrayed anyone, but that I have
stayed true to myself and my beliefs. Also from the very beginning I
shared all the income from every source equally between all the band
members.

That doesnt sound like greed to me. Bitter it does sound.



It is not a story of Faust, it is a story of a rock band and this
statement verifies all those things I am writing in my statement. There
is hate. There is tension. All those things were and are still there.

The statement ends "the remaining members of Stratovarius".
Although I own the name and all the rights to that, I have no problem
if the guys want to continue the band without me.

I am very happy with RR getting interesting fresh musicians and
doing loads of creative stuff in my life. Too bad it had to end this
way.
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 7:01

C'est bien quand on comprends le rosbeef Angry
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 11:05

bizarre, à la fin il dit qu'il n'a rien contre le fait que les autres membres continuent Strato sans lui mais qu'il détient tous les droits du groupe... il pense se faire du pognon sur leur dos, sur leur nom... Moi je serai eux j'attendrai que Jani Liimatainen soit de nouveau libre et qu'ils fassent un nouveau groupe...

Ca sent le dialogue de sourds...
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 12:19

En même qui attend un nouvel album de Strato ,oui il ferait de former un nouveau groupe Wink

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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 19:29

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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 19:46

T'as compris la phrase de BuZ, The Will ? Suspect

Si oui, ben Bow

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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 19:49

Je traduis: "Stratovarius ça ne vaut pas In Flames" Mr Green
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 19:54

RoO Bow

Désolé, je pas très bien parler france.
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 20:25

Si tu as du mal à lire, j'ai une solution pour toi !

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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 20:27

Ce SML est un artiste. C'est énorme de bout en bout Top

Et après ça, vous allez me dire que Raymond Devos était un grand comique et tout... Roll Eyes


"Et là, j'ai pris le bout du bout"

Pfff... Nul


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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 20:36

Ouais, Moi j'ai deja mis les bouts :'(

SML, c'est l'eleve, qui depasse les deux maitres Mr Green

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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Ven 9 Mai - 20:49

SML59 a écrit:
Si tu as du mal à lire, j'ai une solution pour toi !


C'est énorme ce truc!
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Sam 10 Mai - 11:39

Ad Metal Eternam a écrit:
T'as compris la phrase de BuZ, The Will ? Suspect

Si oui, ben Bow

Mr Green

Ben après quelques whisky on la comprend bien le phrase !!!!

Pleure de Rire
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Sam 10 Mai - 11:44

Un savate ce DEVOS Mr Green .
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Sam 10 Mai - 12:34

Ad Metal Eternam a écrit:
T'as compris la phrase de BuZ, The Will ? Suspect

Si oui, ben Bow

Mr Green

Oups ,j'ai oublié un mot Embarrassed ,le pire c'est que j'ai mis du temps a comprendre Embarrassed Embarrassed

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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Sam 10 Mai - 12:43

Ben pas qu'un mot, relis ta phrase, on comprend rien ('fin sauf The Will mais faut être bourré pour comprendre qu'il dit) Mr Green

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Un savate ce DEVOS .

Mais complètement ! Lui, c'est vraiment le gars dont j'ai jamais compris pourquoi il était devenu une telle référence en matière de jeux de mots. C'est d'un nul. Sérieusement, Ruquier fait mille fois mieux, et en improvisant au moins Mr Green Rire
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MessageSujet: Re: STRATOVARIUS   Sam 10 Mai - 12:46

Va falloir faire un "Top Savates" Mr Green
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